Inside The Russian Disinformation Playbook
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Previously, he was senior international video correspondent and a reporter at the Times who focused on human rights. When he was reporting from Pakistan in 2009, he was the first journalist to tell the story of Malala and how, with her father, she fought for girls to have the right to attend school. That was three years before she was shot. In 2015, Ellick co produced a Pulitzer Prize winning video about an Afghan woman who was burned to death by a mob. Ellick won three Overseas Press Club awards for his coverage of Pakistan and the Arab Spring. He produced videos from North Korea one year ago.
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GROSS: So this conspiracy theory still has some traction, doesn’t it?
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cheap canada goose uk ELLICK: Well, they cooked up and spread many. This is certainly not the only one. They’ve been doing this for decades, even before the early 1980s. But this one was incredibly successful because it did sort of it followed a very specific Soviet playbook when it comes to disinformation. Which is they were trying to sort of sow chaos and exploit existing tensions in American society. And this was a time in the early 1980s when there was a lot of hysteria around AIDS. A lot was unknown. People were dying, and a lot of people did not know why. cheap canada goose uk
So it was a vulnerability in terms of the West. And it was also a time with racial tension. So the Soviets always try to exploit any sort of tensions, whether it was class, race, religion. And they definitely have an affinity for infections and disease. And the Russians still do that today. We noticed that in the past few Canada Goose Outlet years with the Zika virus. And even the AIDS conspiracy has returned in the past few years.
GROSS: And politically, in 1983, when the Soviets started spreading this rumor, there was a lot of political homophobia. Like Republicans were trying to activate their base with anti gay scare tactics. So that was like a political vulnerability that they could exploit. So that’s an easy one to exploit, too. So the first place that the Soviets planted this conspiracy theory was in a newspaper in India. That seems like an odd route to take, but it made sense to the Soviets. Why?
Canada Goose sale ELLICK: Well, I would argue it’s sort of a masterful route to take. What the Soviets did and we sort of laid out the tick tock chronology of how this hoax went viral before the Internet ever existed. And the first thing they did is they planted the story in an Indian newspaper. It may sound and feel like no big deal, but The Patriot was a newspaper in Delhi. And the newspaper was left leaning, so it had some sympathy for communist ideology. And the Soviets often planted stories in countries where journalists could be easily bribed. And they also planted stories in countries that had a vulnerable audience, and by that, I mean sort of a lack of media literacy. Canada Goose sale
So they first planted it there, and it was published in The Patriot. And then we didn’t hear about that story for some time. And then a year or two later, I believe in 1985, it resurfaced in a weekly Soviet newspaper. And the source in that Soviet newspaper was the article in India. And basically they rev up they rev that tactic up, and soon, you could find this story all over Africa in Kenya, in Zimbabwe, in so many countries around the continent. And a few years later, we found that story had reached 80 countries, from Pakistan and Bangladesh to Argentina and Brazil and Central America.
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canadian goose jacket GROSS: Let me reintroduce you here. If you’re just joining us, my guest is Adam Ellick. He’s the executive producer of opinion video at The New York Times. And this is a new thing at The New York Times. canada goose deals And he has three videos that he just directed, a series of three videos, on disinformation and how the Russians have spread it. And you can see those on The New York Times website. We’ll be right back. This is FRESH AIR. canadian goose jacket
GROSS: This is FRESH AIR, and if you’re just joining us, my guest is Adam Ellick, and he’s the executive producer of opinion video at The New York Times. And this is a new thing at The New York Times. And he has a series of three videos about disinformation spread by the Russians. And the title of the series is “Operation InfeKtion.”
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ELLICK: Yeah. It’s a fascinating story, and a largely untold story of Russia Today. I mean, when Russia Today launched in the States, they were in the back seat of canada goose coats on sale New York City taxicabs, and they hired people like Larry King, who were familiar faces to an American TV audience. on your expanded cable package. And if you watch their coverage sort of passively, most stories are quite typical, and not offensive and not full of disinformation campaigns. But when you sprinkle in a few cases here and there, they become much more believable because they’re wrapped in what is otherwise normal broadcast TV coverage. But as you point out in your series of videos, we’re starting our own fake news now, and it’s catching on quite well. President Trump has frequently described the media as, like, bad people, the enemy of the people. And he revoked Jim Acosta’s White House pass, his White House press credentials. And CNN is now suing because of that.
But I bring this up because there’s a fake video that was spread when a White House intern at President Trump’s post midterm press conference grabbed the microphone from Jim Acosta when President Trump didn’t like Acosta’s question. And the video was faked in a way to make it seem like Acosta tried to karate chop this young woman’s, the intern’s, arm. And he did not actually do that. So it made it canada goose outlet seem like he was being aggressive against her in a way that he wasn’t. Have you learned anything about that video?
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